by James Perloff, JamesPerloff.com:
JP: Chris, it’s really great to have an opportunity to discuss 9/11 with you. I think you’re the top 9/11 researcher out there. I say that with total sincerity—not because I happen to be interviewing you right now. You do hands-on investigation—by that I mean you’ve directly confronted many 9/11 suspects, you’ve been to places like Shanksville, for example, and interviewed the people out there. After reading your book Solving 9/11, I think there have been times in the past where I mentioned certain facts about 9/11, and I didn’t even realize they were things originally discovered by you.
CB: Thank you! I was working as a journalist at the time for American Free Press, a weekly newspaper based in Washington, D.C. I also happened to be passing through New York City in the early hours of 9/11, which was a most unusual coincidence.
When the Pentagon was bombed I decided not to go to my office in Washington, but to head back to Chicago, which took me near the Shanksville site, a place I visited several times.
From the beginning, the 9/11 atrocity was a subject that contained the kind of elements I had been working with for years. It was a story that showed clear signs of a cover-up by the government and media, and there were indications of Israeli involvement in the form of the five “dancing Israeli” agents who were arrested in New Jersey that afternoon.
I was fortunate that my editor let me write freely about 9/11 without any restrictions and that my articles often appeared on the front page of a newspaper in the nation’s capital. I began by investigating those aspects of the event that were clearly being omitted by the controlled media, such as the eyewitness reports of explosions at the World Trade Center. The things that the media omits from a story are often the most important parts.
I wound up writing hundreds of articles about the subject and decided to publish them in chronological order in a book entitled Solving 9-11: The Original Articles, which was published in 2012. This book shows how my research developed over time from 9/11 up until the spring of 2012, when the book came out. I call it the Mother Lode because it contains the facts and information upon which my analysis contained in Solving 9-11: The Deception that Changed the World is based. The two books are a set and complement each other.
JP: You’ve done more, I think, than anyone else to expose the Israeli role in 9/11. I didn’t catch on to the guys arrested in the white van being Israelis until 2003, I believe, when I read the book Stranger than Fiction. But you were already writing about the “Dancing Israelis” in October of 2001!
CB: Yes, I had heard on the radio at about noon on 9/11 that the FBI was looking for five Middle Eastern men who had been seen making a video of the attacks at the World Trade Center. The next day, it came out in an article by Paolo Lima in the Bergen Record (NJ) that these men were arrested later that afternoon and that they were Israelis. Furthermore, two of them were on a list of known foreign intelligence agents, which brought up the question of Israeli involvement in the crime itself. I mean if you have prior knowledge of something like 9/11, which these men apparently had, it indicates some degree of involvement in the crime itself.
I spoke with Paolo Lima by phone and this story, entitled “Israeli Terror Suspects Captured by FBI,” was the first article I wrote about 9/11, coming out in American Free Press in the issue dated September 18, 2001.
JP: I realize that a lot of Americans have a hard time accepting Israel’s role in 9/11. I think it would be much easier for them if they knew the context of Israel’s long history of false-flag operations against the West, almost invariably disguising themselves as Arabs, which 9/11 might be said to be the culmination of.
CB: Yes! This is the main reason that Zionist history is not taught in American universities. There is a long history of Zionist terrorism beginning in the 1930s. The Zionist terrorist gangs of Irgun and Lehi (The Stern Gang) were known to be behind the murders of British officers and the U.N. mediator to Palestine, the Count Folke Bernadotte in the 1940s. They even bombed British embassies and sent a team of assassins to London! In 1946 they bombed Jerusalem’s King David Hotel killing 93 people.
In the early 1950s a cell of Israeli terrorists put bombs in British and U.S. facilities in Egypt in a little-known operation called the Lavon Affair. In 1967, the Israeli military attacked a U.S. Navy vessel, USS Liberty, killing or wounding seventy percent of the crew—and the attack has been covered-up by the U.S. government and media ever since. Rather than prosecuting the guilty, the American sailors were warned by their own officers to never talk about what they had experienced when Israeli missiles and torpedoes tried to kill them on June 8, 1967. If you understand the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty and how our government let Israel get away with cold-blooded murder on the high seas, you will be able to understand what really happened on 9/11.
Finally, in Rise and Kill First by Ronen Bergman, a new book about assassinations carried out by the state of Israel, he reveals that Israel ran a network of terrorist bombers in Lebanon from 1979 to 1983. This organization, set up by Rafael Eitan, the Israeli chief of staff under Menachem Begin, the terrorist who became prime minister, was called Front for the Liberation of Lebanon from Foreigners and killed hundreds, if not thousands of innocent people.
Although Bergman’s book has been reviewed and discussed by the New York Times and other media outlets, none of them have addressed this revelation that Israel was behind many of the terror bombings that plagued Lebanon during this period. It should be noted that hundreds of American marines were killed in Beirut in 1983 by exactly the same method perfected by the Israelis—the car bomb.
You see, it’s not that the information is not available but rather it’s a matter of it not being discussed in the mainstream media, which defines reality for so many people.
JP: I saw you speak during your 2016 book tour, and it was so good I came back to see you on your 2017 tour. There’s something I want to say about that. Last time I saw you speak—it was in Watertown, Mass.—there were quite a few Muslims in attendance. Not only was their behavior very polite and correct, they were the best-dressed guys there, all in coats and ties. My Truther friends and I were all dressed casual. I bring this up because many Americans have a stereotyped image of Muslims. In saying this, I’m not denying the radicalized sects of Islam—for example, the ISIS Wahhabis that are terrorizing Syria, backed by the Israelis, Saudis, and—regrettably—the U.S. itself. But I believe American patriots need to transcend some of their stereotypes about Muslims.
CB: Well, we need to ask ourselves, where did these stereotypes about Muslims and Arabs come from? Primarily they come to us through Hollywood films and TV shows. Muslim Arab is the one ethnic group that Hollywood has vilified as evil terrorists for decades, without being called racist!
So, as Israel ran a secret terror-bombing network in Lebanon, friends of Israel in Hollywood were making films portraying the Arab Muslim as the terrorist. See how that worked to create the Arab-terrorist stereotype?
JP: Oh, yes, I remember it was already hot and heavy in the 1980s with movies like The Delta Force and Back to the Future. Muslims, of course, took the heat for 9/11, and we’ve been bombing their countries ever since. But there is so much that points to Israel besides the “Dancing Israelis.” The Zionist PNAC and its call for a “New Pearl Harbor” in 2000; Michael Chertoff being in charge of the 9/11 investigation even though his mother was Mossad; Zelikow running the 9/11 Commission even though he was a dual-citizen Israeli; the security at all the 9/11 airports being run by ICTS, which was Israeli-owned; Silverstein’s close friendship with Netanyahu; the FAA and NORAD using software on 9/11 provided by two Israeli-linked firms, Ptech and MITRE. I mean, the list goes on and on. When my Truther friends heard your presentation, as the evidence against Israel stacked up, we started looking at each other, and doing face palms as we sunk lower into our seats.
CB: That’s right. The evidence of Israeli involvement in 9/11 is overwhelming. The bigger question is why? While 9/11 was a very complex crime with many aspects, the biggest reason for the false-flag deception was to drag the U.S. and its allies into an open-ended war in the Middle East. This is exactly what happened to us as a result of 9/11. As President Trump said, the U.S. has wasted $7 trillion in 17 years of war in the Middle East with no benefit to the American people.
When you understand that the War on Terror is an Israeli construct that was rolled out by Benjamin Netanyahu and Menachem Begin in the late 1970s to bring the U.S. military into the region to wage war against Israel’s enemies, the whole thing makes complete sense.
The difficulty is that many people who support Israel and Zionism know very little about the real history about the Zionist movement and the state it brought into being. As I said, the media and academia do little to make this history understandable, so we have a public that is ignorant and misinformed about Israel, the foreign state that receives the most support from the United States.
JP: There are some points in your book Solving 9/11 that I had not fully known before and blew me away. One was the war of attrition that Judge Hellerstein waged against the 96 families of 9/11 victims who wanted to litigate. Eventually, they were all forced to settle out of court. As you point out, what was there to hide if the government’s story was true? But what really “ground my gears” was that Hellerstein’s son worked as a lawyer in Israel, and one of his firm’s clients was tied to ICTS, which was running security at the 9/11 airports. Judge Hellerstein protected ICTS from litigation by dismissing it from the case. That was a clear-cut conflict of interest, and Hellerstein should have recused himself.
CB: Yes, of course. Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein had a conflict-of-interest in that his son Joseph is a lawyer in Israel with a firm that represented the parent company of ICTS, the Israeli company that managed passenger screening at Boston’s Logan airport on 9/11.
Furthermore, Judge Hellerstein is a Zionist with a conflict-of-interest in that he was presiding over a case in which the state of Israel was involved as the key defendant. The result of this is that not a single wrongful death case from the 3,000 families affected by 9/11 ever got their day in court. While 9/11 is the worst terrorist crime in U.S. history, there has never been a trial, although the U.S. says it has Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of 9/11, in custody in Guantanamo, Cuba. If they have the person they claim is the mastermind, why don’t they put him on trial?
JP: I learned so much more from your book—how George H. W. Bush appointed an Israeli to be his administration’s cyber chief; how Ehud Omert—the mayor of Jerusalem and future prime minister—was secretly in New York City on the eve of 9/11. But let me not give away too much; I want people to buy and read Solving 9/11.
CB: Well, if a person really wants to understand the false-flag deception of 9/11 and how we have been deceived into perpetual war, the Solving 9-11 set of books is essential reading along with the much smaller book, The War on Terror: The Plot to Rule the Middle East (2017). Although it may be very difficult to accept, we are certainly much better off with the truth about 9/11 and the War on Terror than we are with the lies that have been used to take us to war.
JP: Chris, I should probably mention how this interview came about. I’m working on a book of my own about 9/11. This is not intended to compete with your or anyone else’s work, but there are still some unresolved questions about 9/11, and having been contacted through my website by pilots, 9/11 witnesses, and others with expertise to offer, I feel I can contribute toward moving the 9/11 discussion forward. There are some tough questions that are nagging me about 9/11, and my first intention was to ask you these questions privately—but then I thought, why not make our discussion public? It might motivate a few informed people to contact us with additional insights.
CB: That’s a good idea.
JP: What I mostly want to ask you about are the planes and the alleged hijackers. I don’t want to get into the much-vetted collapse of Building 7, or the destruction of the Twin Towers. Suffice it to say, if anyone believes the Towers collapsed simply because they were hit by planes, they need to produce another example of a building collapse where multi-ton chunks of steel were hurled laterally at 70 miles per hour, or where the entire contents of a building—concrete, furniture, toilets, etc.—were all vaporized into dust.
CB: That’s right—and they fell at free fall velocity, in about 10 seconds. And prior to the collapse tons of molten iron poured off the 81st floor of the South Tower, another aspect of the demolition that has been ignored by the mainstream media. Evidently, various forms of thermite were used to destroy the towers including a form of nano-thermite, which has incredible explosive force and which apparently produced the billions of tiny spheres of iron found in the dust.
JP: Many of my readers know I have a different take on the method of the Towers’ final destruction, but we won’t belabor that here. Now regarding the planes. Once one realizes that the Twin Towers were intentionally demolished—regardless of which demolition theory one adheres to—it becomes apparent that the plane strikes, or what are called plane strikes, had to be guaranteed in advance. Because if a plane had veered and only clipped a Tower with its wing, there would have been no way to then justify demolishing the Tower. So those planes strikes had to be guaranteed. And indeed, all 3 planes—excluding 93, which didn’t get past Shanksville—scored bullseyes. This in turn means the planes were not being steered by hijackers, because no hijacker could make that guarantee—he could lose his nerve and chicken out, or he could just miss.
CB: That’s true, which means that the planes were most likely weaponized Boeing tankers flown by remote control—i.e. weaponized drones. This is what the video images indicate that show a pod on the underside of the plane from which a missile appears to have been fired a fraction of a second before impact. A white-hot warhead is seen coming out the far side of the tower. If the planes were weaponized into flying bombs they would have been prepared in every way to carry out their evil mission. I devoted the second chapter of Solving 9-11 to the planes.
JP: I believe I should mention, because some of our readers will advocate it, that there is a complete no-planes theory. I myself once seriously entertained that theory, because a cloaked missile is—more than an aircraft—capable of the speed, accuracy, and penetration witnessed on 9/11. However, Matt Nelson’s book 9/11 Debris documents the rather large amount of aircraft debris found in various places near the Trade Center—too much, I’m afraid, for someone like Urban Moving Systems to have planted. In addition to this, one of the airline pilots I work closely with on 9/11 examined the plane entry holes in the two Towers. There are some inward bending steel bars, indicating a strike from outside, as opposed to purely pre-planted explosives. And as one would expect, the weaker wingtips did not penetrate, whereas the engines did. Titanium is stronger than steel, and when you get a pair of 4-ton titanium engines going over 500 mph, they can break steel, or at least break the bolts holding the steel panels together. So—to my own reckoning, even though some will disagree—we are left with two basic options: either the Towers were struck by the original planes, or by drones, but in either case, they would have had to be under remote control in order to guarantee those hits.
CB: I agree that the aircraft were flown by remote control.
JP: Now in your PowerPoint presentation you mentioned—as you just have here—the possibility that 767 refueling tankers were swapped for the original planes. To tell the truth, Chris, this didn’t register with me until I started examining it. It depends on the model, but 767 military tankers are generally faster and more robust than passenger 767s; they carry fuel instead of passengers—so they would generate a much bigger impact with a lot more fire—and, of course they could be built with remote control, and the hole they would create would match the approximate dimensions of a regular 767.
CB: That’s right, and an Israeli company named Bedek, which is tied to the Israeli military, was based in Florida and was in the business of converting Boeing 767 tanker aircraft. Converting a 767 into a flying bomb would have been something they could have managed.
JP: A couple of additional factors that favor drones are: to my knowledge, not a single aircraft part found in the vicinity of the Trade Center has ever been matched by serial number to Flights 11 or 175—not even a piece of landing gear discovered years later that spokesmen said had a clear serial number on it. Also, the black boxes for 77 and 93 were recovered, but their serial numbers were not published, which, it turns out, is very unorthodox in crash investigations.
Another factor that favors drones is that infamous three-dimensional pod you mentioned that was underneath Flight 175. This pod would have been noticed by flight maintenance crews at Logan Airport. Also, it is mandatory for the captain or first officer to do a walk-around inspection of an aircraft before takeoff—and I have been told by pilots that under no circumstances would a pilot leave Logan with that big object underneath. Popular Mechanics has claimed it’s just a wing faring—but if so, why does it distinctly flash just before hitting the South Tower?
CB: The flash on the South Tower is clearly a white-hot hole seen in the video images, about the diameter of the plane’s fuselage, which would have allowed the plane’s body to enter the building without any resistance. A depleted uranium warhead would have made such a hole, and that is exactly what we see, burning white-hot coming out the far side with great momentum. No part of the aircraft would burn white-hot and have that kind of momentum having passed through the tower.
JP: Chris, I have to go back to your comment on Bedek. I’d like to mention for my readers your outstanding research on the Israeli companies that emerged from Bedek, Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) and ATASCO. Right here in the United States, they were buying Boeings and modifying them—including modifying them into tankers, as well as constructing remote-control aircraft. For my readers who don’t know the story, could you relate what happened to you on the very day you spoke to Shalom Yoran, the chairman of ATASCO?
CB: Well, I was attacked by an undercover tactical unit of the Hoffman Estates Police Department on the day I spoke to Shalom Yoran, but that most unusual tactical unit had been prowling around my neighborhood for at least two days. I called 911 after I saw them pass the house on the second day. Although I was told to expect a uniformed policeman to respond to my call, this three man squad marched up my driveway and proceeded to tackle me and Taser me while I was pinned down. When I was pulled to my feet I saw that six or seven police cars were on the scene along with a fire truck and an ambulance. They had all been parked a couple blocks away and came to my house after the tactical unit had attacked me.
JP: If you can talk about it, how is Sweden treating you?
CB: Very fairly I would say. Things work pretty well in Sweden and corruption, like what I experienced with the police in my hometown, is very uncommon.
JP: There are also some objections to the drone theory. I’d like to ask you about these, Chris, not be a pain in the ass, but to see what your view of them is.
CB: That’s fine.
JP: The first objection is the difficulty of swapping drones for airliners mid-air without detection. I’ve listened to the air traffic controllers from Boston and New York describe their recollections of 9/11, and assuming they have not been told to suppress anything, it seems they had the planes pretty well tracked from Boston to the World Trade Center. Granted, 11 turned its identifying transponder off, leaving only a radar signal; 175 only turned off its transponder for a moment, then turned it back on with a different code. The controllers were clearing competing air traffic out of the way of these planes, and it’s hard to see a moment where drones could have been substituted, and the originals diverted, without being noticed. I know there’s been talk of drones being launched from Stewart Airport, where the paths of 11 and 175 crisscrossed, but I assume that to launch a couple of 767-sized drones from Stewart runways, you would need clearance from Stewart air traffic controllers, which would expand the conspiracy. Another possibility you’ve mentioned is drones leaving from defunct Canadian airfields. I think one possible explanation for the failure to notice swap-outs could be the dependence of the FAA on Israeli-based software. Also, I recently came across a video that says 11, 77, and 93 all turned off their transponders just when they entered zones where radar detection is known to be extremely poor. This would have been an ideal time to swap drones for planes. But whether or not they could really disguise these swaps undetected is a major question mark. Your thoughts?
CB: Well, the key thing to remember is that there were several wargames going on which involved false inputs on the radar screens, which confused the air traffic controllers a great deal. We don’t know how the aircraft were switched with the drones, but these wargames provided the opportunity and is what seems to have happened. The FAA also destroyed evidence in the form of air traffic control computer disks that were broken into pieces and thrown away.
JP: Well, I know that NORAD initially had these games interfering with their screens, the civilian FAA I don’t know. However, you’ve really ignited my interest about these FAA disks being destroyed. That would be a criminal act and it may mean that the air traffic controllers’ reconstruction of 9/11 has been revised. OK, I was going to ask you for a link to that story, but I believe I just found one. Is this what you’re referring to?